Curse

tastegw · Apr 11, 2009, 08:30 PM // 20:30

seems everyone now just wants to flame each other.

MMSDome · Apr 11, 2009, 09:39 PM // 21:39

Riverside is the reason no one wants to be nice. When you see as many retarded threads as some of us have, something snaps.

kostolomac · Apr 11, 2009, 09:47 PM // 21:47

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Originally Posted by MMSDome

The internet is the reason no one wants to be nice. When you see as many retarded things as some of us have, something snaps.

Fixed that for you.

Kattar · Apr 12, 2009, 04:02 AM // 04:02

No, Dome had it right the first time.

The players have becoming increasing disenfranchised with Guild Wars, ArenaNet, and Guru. They come here and wait for something they deem "stupid" to happen and rip the throat out of the suspecting or unsuspecting forum goer.

So, with the people who care too much, the people that don't care at all, the trolls, the asshats, and the new people, it's a barrel of fun.

pumpkin pie · Apr 12, 2009, 04:05 AM // 04:05

there never was any nice people online :P

I pwnd U · Apr 12, 2009, 04:39 AM // 04:39

Wait?!?! WHEN WERE THEIR NICE PEOPLE?!?! Damn I missed them so called "nice" people. >.>

Jumping Is Uselss · Apr 12, 2009, 12:05 PM // 12:05

We are nice people, no really we are! We just love to bash each other to death, play the blame game, and start internet wars.

Divinitys Creature · Apr 13, 2009, 01:13 AM // 01:13

I was busy at work sry

Arkantos · Apr 13, 2009, 02:18 AM // 02:18

It's the internet.

Not only that, but when carebears and trolls meet on an online gaming forum...well, yeah. Katsumi said it nice.

Master Fuhon · Apr 13, 2009, 04:12 AM // 04:12

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Originally Posted by Katsumi

So, with the people who care too much, the people that don't care at all, the trolls, the asshats, and the new people, it's a barrel of fun.

The important thing to know about mythological creatures is that some of their descriptions are accurately based on human behavior. If you can successfully pass on the myths of how to deal with them; you can pass on the knowledge of how to deal with people who act like them. However, it matters that you get the names and definitions right.

There’s been a real serious problem with passing on knowledge of how to deal with human copycat behavior of mythological creatures. Movies only show people killing things, so you have to read into the stories. The only knowledge base that often gets passed down is the solution “we need to get rid of them”. I hope I don’t need to demonstrate the outright stupidity of thinking that you can cause something to become extinct by crushing/killing/subduing it. Trying to do that and failing results in survivors adapting. Trying to kill strains of diseases has already caused many of these to become far more deadly to the general human population. The way we handled chicken pox and measles was to try to integrate the disease into the population through inoculations. I’ll convert this example to people, because the solution to dealing with people is integration of the less harmful strains. In some cases, this is an example of making the people adapt to the problem.

I wouldn’t call many of them trolls, but I can explain a little about how trolls behaved anyway so there will be no argument. Trolls were considered to be outcasts who lived off of pillaging and harassing human civilizations. Trolls were survival-hardened and superior at adaptation. One troll could be so problematic that it would require many to come up with the plan to deal with one. Upon coming across a troll, people would not have the option to ignore it, because to do so would have long term consequences. Over time it would destroy and steal things, forcing people to live in a perpetual state of fear over its existence if they chose to do nothing.

If you try to deny the troll what it seeks, the troll develops its own adaptation to taking what it wants. If you hide food from it, it might break into houses and steal babies to eat. Trolls are successfully dealt with by integrating them into the community; when they go on pillaging rampages provide the minimum that they will accept to go back to their seclusion. Over time the troll grows dependent on the people to provide the food and loses the capacity to hunt and adapt on its own. Gain the upper hand over the troll by forcing it to depend on the people it steals from to survive, while subjecting those people to minimal harm.

People should probably pay more attention to what they call things, because everyone might know more than they think they know. It only depends on whether or not the definition of the word keeps its significance over time. I remember reading a thread where someone was calling someone a blind moron; sure enough the term was being thrown around with surprising accuracy based on definitions of those words.

Ariena Najea · Apr 13, 2009, 04:15 AM // 04:15

Clearly the mean people killed the nice people off.

I don't recall a horde of nice people on Guru, although I've only been here ~3 years. Maybe they left before then

Master Fuhon · Apr 13, 2009, 04:53 AM // 04:53

My screw-up on why they call them trolls. “Trolling” is the process of dropping bait and reeling in whatever bites. So what we have are fishermen who are actively trying to purge the pond of the best fish. Unfortunately, not too many stories exist on the subject of how fish would outsmart the fishermen, outside of children’s books.

But I think the subject is intuitive enough. Fishermen continue to fish in waters where they can continually catch things. If the forums were dead, “trolls” simply would not come. And as long as there are still things to catch, people will make their living off of baiting. Even if the fish got smarter, we would eventually deal with the fishermen growing smarter to be able to continue fishing.

So I think common solutions would involve the trolls reeling in either very big fish or things that would be toxic to them. But that’s going back to children’s stories, where the fish would put a smelly boot on the line, or pull in a whale or shark.

Aera · Apr 13, 2009, 08:17 AM // 08:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by MMSDome

Riverside is the reason no one wants to be nice. When you see as many retarded threads as some of us have, something snaps.

Sardelec did it for me. That's the culprit of retardation.

Divinitys Creature · Apr 13, 2009, 11:12 AM // 11:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Master Fuhon

The important thing to know about mythological creatures is that some of their descriptions are accurately based on human behavior. If you can successfully pass on the myths of how to deal with them; you can pass on the knowledge of how to deal with people who act like them. However, it matters that you get the names and definitions right.

There’s been a real serious problem with passing on knowledge of how to deal with human copycat behavior of mythological creatures. Movies only show people killing things, so you have to read into the stories. The only knowledge base that often gets passed down is the solution “we need to get rid of them”. I hope I don’t need to demonstrate the outright stupidity of thinking that you can cause something to become extinct by crushing/killing/subduing it. Trying to do that and failing results in survivors adapting. Trying to kill strains of diseases has already caused many of these to become far more deadly to the general human population. The way we handled chicken pox and measles was to try to integrate the disease into the population through inoculations. I’ll convert this example to people, because the solution to dealing with people is integration of the less harmful strains. In some cases, this is an example of making the people adapt to the problem.

I wouldn’t call many of them trolls, but I can explain a little about how trolls behaved anyway so there will be no argument. Trolls were considered to be outcasts who lived off of pillaging and harassing human civilizations. Trolls were survival-hardened and superior at adaptation. One troll could be so problematic that it would require many to come up with the plan to deal with one. Upon coming across a troll, people would not have the option to ignore it, because to do so would have long term consequences. Over time it would destroy and steal things, forcing people to live in a perpetual state of fear over its existence if they chose to do nothing.

If you try to deny the troll what it seeks, the troll develops its own adaptation to taking what it wants. If you hide food from it, it might break into houses and steal babies to eat. Trolls are successfully dealt with by integrating them into the community; when they go on pillaging rampages provide the minimum that they will accept to go back to their seclusion. Over time the troll grows dependent on the people to provide the food and loses the capacity to hunt and adapt on its own. Gain the upper hand over the troll by forcing it to depend on the people it steals from to survive, while subjecting those people to minimal harm.

People should probably pay more attention to what they call things, because everyone might know more than they think they know. It only depends on whether or not the definition of the word keeps its significance over time. I remember reading a thread where someone was calling someone a blind moron; sure enough the term was being thrown around with surprising accuracy based on definitions of those words.

WOW! You've though about this a lot. I kind of agree when you apply it to those pushed to the corners of society, but on the internet, destroying the trolls can lead to hardened trolls, but they can off to some other corner of the web!

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Originally Posted by Master Fuhon

My screw-up on why they call them trolls. “Trolling” is the process of dropping bait and reeling in whatever bites

Not to be pedantic, but isn't that called trawling?

Junato · Apr 13, 2009, 11:36 AM // 11:36

This is easy to explain. I will answer that by telling a true story.

Long, long time ago, Guild Wars Society was a friendly and a nice game where everyone was willing to help anyone, until the evil society kicked in. The evil society comprised of people who blame, scream and don't care about anything. Well as the story goes... around 2005 the evil society slowly came in to GW. Thus, the current GW is now overun with these people. You can now see that there are still a few GW players that are nice.

Kattar · Apr 13, 2009, 11:38 AM // 11:38

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Not to be pedantic, but isn't that called trawling?

The term came from "trolling." Trolling is using one line or multiple lines to lure fish, trawling using a net to catch fish.

Fril Estelin · Apr 13, 2009, 11:44 AM // 11:44

Define "nice".

Endless war on words will ensue.

This is Guru.

But there are still some really great people here, gems burried in the sand.

Master Fuhon · Apr 13, 2009, 05:55 PM // 17:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Junato

This is easy to explain. I will answer that by telling a true story.

Long, long time ago, Guild Wars Society was a friendly and a nice game where everyone was willing to help anyone, until the evil society kicked in. The evil society comprised of people who blame, scream and don't care about anything. Well as the story goes... around 2005 the evil society slowly came in to GW. Thus, the current GW is now overun with these people. You can now see that there are still a few GW players that are nice.

I already gave my example on how to deal with trolls. Unfortunately, what you are referencing here is the classic “good vs. evil” literature, based on the same failed concepts of killing. You really need to have a better grasp of the stories to understand how good and evil are portrayed. There are many stories to go around where the evil creature has the good awakened within it. There are also many stories where the central character does battle with the so called ‘good and evil’ within it.

The decision to diagnose something as evil ends up as a fatal decision. Because when something is defined as pure evil; no one comprehends there being any good in it. So they always try to kill it by brute force. Each time you try to kill something that is very evil; that takes the last bit of good out of it. Poor diagnosis leads to poor solution; you can learn that from all branches of medical science.

Ultimately it’s the way good vs. evil stories get reinterpreted that’s the problem. People go on to believe that forms of pure good and pure evil exist; which they don’t. It’s really appropriate that this is around Easter time right now, because I can reference the Bible as one of these stories. You have the concept of God that refers to a being having both powers of creation and destruction, designing everything in its own image.

I can tell you by now, that this story has been reinterpreted millions of times in favor of the existence of good and evil by now. The reason why involves the literal interpretation that there is a Devil in existence as well as a God. My interpretation had been that God banished its destructive half to the depths, unfortunately resulting in a situation where it would be unaware of the acts it’s destructive half performed. My interpretation of those bible stories is related to seeing God as struggling to cope with both creative and destructive sides within one being.

It’s possible that language has evolved from being partly metaphoric and symbolic towards being something that was strictly more informative and literal. If you want to figure out how to read beyond what these stories appear to be saying, you have to stop reading them with a complete fact-checkers attitude. If these stories were important enough to be written and passed on through thousands of years, you have to find out why. The people who know the ‘what’ do not know nearly as much as the people who know the ‘why’.

phan · Apr 13, 2009, 06:12 PM // 18:12

Malice RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOed them up a long time ago

Taurean · Apr 13, 2009, 09:14 PM // 21:14

I think ppl are cool mostly.